Curse

Algren Cole · Jun 14, 2005, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

No crashes normally BUT when it was unusually hot a few days ago, and the sun was shining on the case, the computer reset. I've seen the overheat protection of the AMD cpu before, while overclocking, and this was exactly the same.

I think it might be quite a lot of truth in that people with heat problems, e.g. due to overclocking, get crashes - this game is as stressful to the system as they come.

I run an AMD64 3000+ with a hardcore overclock. I also run an AMD XP 1600+ AGOIA Core at 2.2 GHZ...this game taxes your system..if you're overclocked and don't have solid cooling, you should consider turning it down.

I agree this could be a large part of the problem

kkl · Jun 14, 2005, 06:04 PM // 18:04

used to run 2500 barton a week ago.. no freeze at all.. . small grafix lag cuz i often runs in windows mode so i can have MSN ICQ on my other screen at 2048x768
same screen set up now.. with AMD64 3200+ and XP64... no freeze either...
only xp64 is a bitch to get it run with the problem of lack of drivers for some small hardwares..
but ... no freeze at all in GW... both cases..
I say check your driver.. and your os.. i doubt it has anything to with with the cpu itself..

Loviatar · Jun 14, 2005, 06:15 PM // 18:15

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Originally Posted by Vertical_Zer0

If you knew what you were talking about, you definately wouldn't have said this. I'm overclocked without a single problem, as are most of my friends. Read up before you post nonsense like that.

note

the official Anet word is that overclockimg issues are the number one cause of GW crashes

riflex · Jun 14, 2005, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

note

the official Anet word is that overclockimg issues are the number one cause of GW crashes

Where on Earth did you read that??? I would agree that in general overclocking could be the reason for application crashes, but not just GuildWars.

AMD64 3800+ @ 2.53GHz
MSI K8N neo4 SLi/platinum
eVGA GeForce 6800 Ultra

85+ fps @ [email protected], everything maxed out. NO crashes/freezes, even though CPU is overclocked. So, ha! It's not overclocking.

In my opinion, number one cause of crashes/freezes in games is outdated drivers for video card and/or motherboard. Some people stick with the drivers from install CDs they got with their computers and, especially if they want to play a new game like GW, they think that the game should run just fine. Well, to all such people, I say - it shouldn't! I would suggest to update ALL your drivers.

Loviatar · Jun 14, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

[QUOTE=riflex]Where on Earth did you read that???
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actually i should have said predominent -sorry about that chief

Gaile Gray
ArenaNet

Overclocking is one of the predominant reasons we get pinged for customer or technical support. As Loviatar said, you don't gain that much, but you really press a system that is working hard to try to work even harder. What does that get you? Heat! And for a game as graphically complex as Guild Wars, heat is always a reality. Increase heat, you're more likely to see random crashes and mysterious glitches of all kinds.

Vertical_Zer0 · Jun 14, 2005, 08:03 PM // 20:03

[QUOTE=Loviatar]

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Originally Posted by riflex

Where on Earth did you read that???
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actually i should have said predominent -sorry about that chief

Gaile Gray
ArenaNet

Overclocking is one of the predominant reasons we get pinged for customer or technical support. As Loviatar said, you don't gain that much, but you really press a system that is working hard to try to work even harder. What does that get you? Heat! And for a game as graphically complex as Guild Wars, heat is always a reality. Increase heat, you're more likely to see random crashes and mysterious glitches of all kinds.

As a matter of fact, you can gain a LOT if you know what you're doing. Again, if you know what you're doing, you can make a stable OC with no problems. Unfortunately, few people on this forum are intelligent enough to pull that off. Overclocking is an art best left to people who know what's going on. I'm sorry to hear that you get a lot of customer support problems due to overclocking, but it's really due to the fact that people are simply uneducated and, generally (to put it bluntly), dumb.

Dyeeo · Jun 15, 2005, 01:24 AM // 01:24

FX-53 on XP32 not overclocked

Insane amount of crashes in character creation.

Almost no crashes anywhere else.

riflex · Jun 15, 2005, 01:53 AM // 01:53

People with equipment that cannot take such heat shouldn't even try overclocking since it won't improve their framerates, not a single fps.

MaglorD · Jun 15, 2005, 02:19 AM // 02:19

Overclocking is just unnecessary IMO. I have to agree with Anet on this.

People overclock for kicks and bragging rights.

Dirkiess · Jun 15, 2005, 09:43 AM // 09:43

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Originally Posted by MaglorD

Overclocking is just unnecessary IMO. I have to agree with Anet on this.

People overclock for kicks and bragging rights.

There is nothing wrong with Overclocking if people know what they are doing as mentioned by Vertical_Zer0. There are components out there that can be overclocked to compete with there more expensive brothers which saves people money and means they can squeeze extra power out of there machines.

Ok, some do it for kicks, which is no different to some case modders too. But they also do it, because they enjoy playing with there Tech and seeing what they can push there machine too. Also, I kinda think a Case Modded too, looks a lot more exciting than some boring looking Grey or Cream Brick under the desk.

There are modders in every field. Do you think those guys/girls who go around and completely mod there cars are wasting there time and only doing it for kicks. Maybe so, but they do it for fun too and some look really good.

As far as I'm concerned, they don't bother me and if they want to do it, all well and good. The only problem I have with OC, is the fact that some machine builders don't tell you the equipment has been OC'd and try and sell you a 2400+ that is really an 1800+ and charge you the extra.

I think there needs to be some hard coding in the processor that tells the OS that the Chip is in fact an 1800+ so that Machine Builders can't sell OC'd gear without saying so.
I know if I don't set my Mobo settings right, my 2400+ becomes an 1800+ due to clock settings etc until I have set the correct options in the BIOS.

MaglorD · Jun 15, 2005, 09:54 AM // 09:54

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Originally Posted by Dirkiess

There is nothing wrong with Overclocking if people know what they are doing as mentioned by Vertical_Zer0. There are components out there that can be overclocked to compete with there more expensive brothers which saves people money and means they can squeeze extra power out of there machines.

First, many ppl do not know what they're doing as evidenced by the Anet being bombarded by these overclockers about stability issues.

Second, a lot of these ppl who overclock have no need to do so since they already own decent video card/CPUs, which is why I said it's unnecessary.

It's not as if decent hardware is all that expensive...I tend to agree with Anet rather than posters like you and whoever.

Dirkiess · Jun 15, 2005, 10:02 AM // 10:02

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Originally Posted by MaglorD

First, many ppl do not know what they're doing as evidenced by the Anet being bombarded by these overclockers about stability issues.

Second, a lot of these ppl who overclock have no need to do so since they already own decent video card/CPUs, which is why I said it's unnecessary.

It's not as if decent hardware is all that expensive...I tend to agree with Anet rather than posters like you and whoever.

Funny how you just point out that part of my Post and not the rest of the post.

In my opinion, there are a lot of problems and I don't think it's all to do with Overclocking. It seems very strange that problems keep being found right after GW updates, and this is whether it's OC'd or not.

I don't disagree with Anet either. However, the same could be said about anything on anyones PC here, and there are a lot of PC Configs out there.

Why would a rollback of GPU Drivers cause the game to start working?
Why would a reinstall of GW cause the game to start working?
Why would disabling certain hardware cause GW to start working?
Why would turning of certain features in the BIOS cause GW to start working?

Lets just blame it all on the Overclockers and not point anything at Anet regarding GW coding, network issues etc etc.

There are so many PC config issues out there, pointing it just at OVerclockers is just plain stupid and shows a lack of experience and evidence on your part.

riflex · Jun 15, 2005, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by Dirkiess

Funny how you just point out that part of my Post and not the rest of the post.

In my opinion, there are a lot of problems and I don't think it's all to do with Overclocking. It seems very strange that problems keep being found right after GW updates, and this is whether it's OC'd or not.

I don't disagree with Anet either. However, the same could be said about anything on anyones PC here, and there are a lot of PC Configs out there.

Why would a rollback of GPU Drivers cause the game to start working?
Why would a reinstall of GW cause the game to start working?
Why would disabling certain hardware cause GW to start working?
Why would turning of certain features in the BIOS cause GW to start working?

Lets just blame it all on the Overclockers and not point anything at Anet regarding GW coding, network issues etc etc.

There are so many PC config issues out there, pointing it just at OVerclockers is just plain stupid and shows a lack of experience and evidence on your part.

Agreed, but let's not forget that Anet is not getting nearly enough profit off GW to roll out extremely stable/large/good updates every week due to them being nice and not charging $15 a month. Also, not ALL people are having problems with GW updates (me, for example), and since they are not able to test for all the unique hardware configurations out there, some of them will obviously experience problems.

Vertical_Zer0 · Jun 15, 2005, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by riflex

Agreed, but let's not forget that Anet is not getting nearly enough profit off GW to roll out extremely stable/large/good updates every week due to them being nice and not charging $15 a month. Also, not ALL people are having problems with GW updates (me, for example), and since they are not able to test for all the unique hardware configurations out there, some of them will obviously experience problems.

They're not getting enough profit?!?!?!?! Where did you learn this? How do YOU have access to Anet's financial data where the rest of us do not? Oh please do tell us of your proficient knowledge!

Show us some backup or leave your post entirely unfounded.